By Josh Rosenberg
In today's used car market, many shoppers are turning to more reliable older, lower mileage models as a way of saving significant dollars due to the current high-priced used car market.
And by "older", I am generally referring to 10+ year-old vehicles, so those produced in the Legacy's fourth and fifth generations, which covered the 2005 - 2014 model years.
And the Legacy is Subaru's longest running model at over three decades old. Such a long run is a strong indication that this model has done a lot of things right over the years, and there are still lower mileage candidates to be found out there with careful shopping.
But clearly, prospective buyers must weigh the benefits of affordability against potential drawbacks, such as higher maintenance needs and outdated technologies.
So here, ...
- First, we'll look at what history has proven about the reliability of fourth and fifth generation Legacy models (again, 2005 - 2014).
- We'll then list each generation's possible mechanical issues as reported by owners so they can be checked before buying one today.
- Then we'll do an overview of both generation's features and characteristics so potential buyers can get to know the vehicle better.
- And then we'll follow that with "Things To Do When Considering An Older Legacy".
Older Subaru Legacy Reliability
Owner Reports: Many Subaru Legacy owners have shared experiences of their vehicles achieving a life expectancy of well over 200,000 miles with diligent care. These reports often highlight the importance of staying on top of maintenance and addressing issues promptly.
Expert Opinions: Automotive experts and mechanics generally agree that Subaru vehicles, including the Legacy, are built to last when maintained properly. Subaru's reputation for durability and reliability supports the potential for a long lifespan.
Real-World Examples: There are numerous stories from Legacy owners who have surpassed 250,000 or even 300,000 miles. These high-mileage examples often belong to owners who have adhered to strict maintenance schedules and have been proactive about repairs.
Fourth Generation (2005 - 2009):
Reliability Overview: The fourth generation Subaru Legacy is generally considered to be a reliable vehicle, but it is not without its common issues. Head gasket problems, especially with the 2.5-liter engine, are frequently reported. Turbocharged models may face turbocharger failures due to oil starvation.
Common Issues: Besides head gasket and turbocharger issues, owners have reported problems with suspension components, excessive oil consumption, and wheel bearings (more on this below).
Overall: With regular maintenance and timely repairs, many owners find the 4th-gen Legacy to be reliable. However, prospective buyers should be cautious of the known issues and ensure that any used vehicle has been well-maintained and inspected.
Fifth Generation (2010-2014):
Reliability Overview: The 5th-gen Subaru Legacy has also earned a good reputation for reliability, but it has its share of common problems. The CVT transmission issues are one of the most significant concerns for this generation, with reports of slipping, shuddering, and erratic performance.
Common Issues: Other issues include battery drain, windshield cracking, brake light switch defects, and STARLINK infotainment system malfunctions (more on this below).
Overall: This generation can be reliable, especially if any known issues have been addressed through recalls or repairs. Potential buyers should verify that the vehicle has received necessary updates and maintenance.
Fourth Generation (2005 - 2009) Subaru Legacy Possible Mechanical Problems
The fourth generation Subaru has several somewhat common mechanical problems that owners have reported which should therefore be included in a mechanical inspection before buying:
Head Gasket Issues: One of the most frequent problems is head gasket failure, particularly with the 2.5-liter engine. This can cause coolant leaks and overheating.
Turbocharger Failure: For turbocharged models, such as the Legacy GT, turbo failure can occur, often due to oil starvation issues.
Suspension Problems: Owners have reported issues with the rear suspension, including sagging and premature wear of the rear struts.
Transmission Issues: Some models have experienced transmission problems, including the automatic transmission (5EAT) having harsh shifting or failure to engage gears properly.
Oil Consumption: Excessive oil consumption has been noted, which may be related to piston ring issues.
Wheel Bearings: Premature wear of wheel bearings, leading to a humming or grinding noise, has been another complaint.
Fifth Generation (2010 - 2014) Subaru Legacy Possible Mechanical Problems
The fifth generation Legacy, also has a few more common mechanical problems that have been reported by owners, and which should therefore be included in a pre-purchase inspection:
CVT Transmission Issues: The TR690 Lineartronic CVT transmission is known for problems such as slipping, squealing, hesitation, shuddering, and erratic behavior. One common issue is with the torque converter, which can cause stalling. Subaru has issued several technical service bulletins (TSBs) to address these issues, including installing improved torque converters and control valve assemblies.
Battery Drain: Some owners experienced parasitic battery drain, where the vehicle's electrical systems continue to draw power even when the car is off. This can lead to a drained battery and difficulty starting the car. Potential causes include issues with the Controller Area Network (CAN) system and software errors causing the car to enter sleep mode improperly.
Windshield Cracking: The Legacy’s acoustic glass windshields are prone to cracking without apparent cause. This can be due to improper installation, temperature changes, or issues with the de-icer adhesives used on the windshields.
Brake Light Switch Defect: The brake light switch can malfunction due to contamination from cleaning products, leading to issues such as brake lights failing to illuminate, problems with the ignition and transmission interlock, and disabling vehicle stability control and eyesight operation.
STARLINK Infotainment System Malfunctions: The STARLINK system can experience various issues including freezing, requiring restarts, unresponsive touch screens, and random shutdowns. Problems with the rear camera and audio/radio controls have also been reported.
Fuel Pump Impeller Issues: Some models had low-density impellers in the fuel pumps that could deform and limit fuel flow, leading to engine performance issues. Subaru issued a recall to address this issue.
Fourth Generation (2005 - 2009) Subaru Legacy Overview
With its all-wheel drive, the Legacy has a big advantage over other mid-size sedans for people looking for slip and slide protection without having to opt for a larger and heavier vehicle. But there's much more to this vehicle as well.
In it's 4th Generation, the Legacy was available as both a sedan or wagon (no more wagons after 2007). During this production run, the most significant change was the addition of the WRX STI's turbocharged engine, placing the powerful Legacy GT into a category typically occupied by European cars.
Driving performance is both sporty and comfortable in this version with it's standard 2.5-liter engine. The ride is quieter than expected and the steering is perfectly weighted.
But opt for one with the turbocharged Legacy GT and you have an especially fun-to-drive car. And the GT Limited spec B sedan, also with turbo, throws in 18-inch wheels, a firmer suspension, and a six-speed manual transmission.
Its interior materials are also superior in its class and are again mindful of more expensive European cars with their more premium standard features.
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The two basic trims consisted of 2.5i and 2.5GT choices. Powering the 2.5i was a 2.5-liter boxer-4 that produced 168 horsepower, while the 2.5GT was equipped with a turbo version of the same engine that pumped out a robust 250-horsepower. Both of these models can be found with either a 5-speed manual transmission or an automatic with four speeds in the 2.5i and five in the 2.5GT.
In subsequent years, several models were added, most notably the 2.5GT spec.B and the 3.0 R (both sedan only). The 2.5GT spec.B is essentially a 2.5GT with significant handling upgrades, while the 3.0 R is a luxury version powered by a 245-horsepower 3.0-liter flat-6 mated with a 5-speed automatic transmission.
This Legacy has also been an accomplished competitor in rallies all over the world. SSCA ProRally and Rally America results from the many Legacy teams have been impressive. The Legacy, and its Outback stablemate, has also won the Alcan Winter Rally a number of times.
Fifth Generation (2010 - 2014) Subaru Legacy Overview
This generation was offered in a total of seven trims: 2.5i, 2.5i Premium, 2.5i Limited, 2.5GT Limited, 3.6R, 3.6R Premium and 3.6R Limited (names based on the powertrain). This version was made roomier with an upgraded interior, given a more aggressive exterior design as well as more powerful engines.
The standard engine found under the hood is a 2.5-liter horizontally opposed four-cylinder that produces 170 horsepower and can be found with either a 6-speed manual transmission or a continuously variable transmission (CVT).
Also available are a turbocharged 2.5-liter boxer-4 that pumps out 265 horses and is coupled with a 6-speed manual, as well as a 3.6-liter six-cylinder boxer that's good for 256 horsepower and is equipped with a 5-speed automatic.
In terms of features, even the base model comes well-equipped with standard features including air-conditioning, an electronic parking brake, a tilt-and-telescoping steering wheel with integrated audio controls, and a 4-speaker audio system with an auxiliary audio jack.
Moving up the trim level adds more upscale features such as leather upholstery, Bluetooth, dual-zone automatic climate control, heated and powered front seats, and a premium Harman Kardon sound system.
Things To Do When Considering An Older Legacy
1. Know How To Get The Lowest Used Car Price:
Get Dealers To Compete For your Business: When you are searching vehicles to possibly purchase, the following is the absolute best way to get the lowest price, and it is extremely easy and stress-free.
Just go to a national car listing site, (I happen to prefer CarsDirect.com for their massive dealer participation and ease of use, although others will get the job done as well) and find several listed vehicles that you may be interested in.
Then write something like the following in the "Check Availability" box or "Contact Dealer" box or whatever the site you are using uses.
"Hello, I've contacted several dealers about cars I am interested in and am looking for the best value. I am also a serious buyer planning to make a decision soon. Please send me your best out-the-door price. Thank you.
After receiving the offers, follow up by explaining that based on the price, you're leaning in another direction but still really like their car and would certainly consider another offer. When dealers drop out, you'll know you're at the best price.
Using the internet to get dealers to compete for your business is extremely important. More details on this and how to intereact with the dealers can be found here at Best Used Car Buying Techniques.
2. When Shopping For An "Older" Vehicle:
Locate Lower Mileage Vehicles: They are certainly out there to be found with careful and patient shopping. Be willing to drive a distance if you have to.
Vehicle History and Maintenance: Ask for the vehicle history report (CarFax or AutoCheck) as well as documented maintenance and repair records. If not provided by the dealer or private seller, it's best to move on.
Pre-Purchase Inspection: Have the vehicle independently inspected before making a final decision. This usually will cost in the $150-$200 range but is well worth it given the potentially thousands in savings over the long term.
Also, Always Know The Value Of Your Trade-In
Whether you are trading or selling on your own, it's just a good idea ... even whether you are in the market or not at the moment. You can then use this important information for a number of purposes ... to negotiate with a dealer, or to know how to price your car in the retail market, or simply to know the value of one of your assets, which is always a good idea.
Getting trade-in values online tend to vary a lot from site to site. But I've found the one at Edmunds Trade-In Quotes is particularly comprehensive and accurate.
It's free and just takes a couple of minutes. I think what helps its accuracy is the inputs will include either your plate# or VIN# followed by many simple, but specific, yes/no questions. It really focuses in on the detail of the specific vehicle.